The hard-rockin’ ’70s band, led by Montecito’s Jay Ferguson, is back with a new CD
October 6, 2005
An astute land speculator and an even better songwriter, Jay Ferguson has resurrected his legendary ’70s rock band, Jo Jo Gunne, and recorded a high-octane album called “Big Chain.”
This shouldn’t come as too big of a surprise because, as we all know, every musician who ever sang a song or played a note either comes back or refuses to go away.
But for Jo Jo Gunne, a return engagement is actually a good thing. Not only was the group a kick-butt rock outfit, but Gunne’s singer-keyboardist Ferguson and bassist Mark Andes were alumni of Spirit, one of the greatest of the many under-appreciated Los Angeles bands from those silly ’60s.
Jo Jo Gunne lasted for four albums — or about as long as Spirit did — and notched a Top 30 hit in 1972 with the song “Run Run Run.” After the group split, Ferguson got into film soundtracks, landing tunes in “The Terminator” as well as several of those nightmarish “Elm Street” movies and many more. He cut a string of successful solo albums, too, scoring hit singles with songs like “Thunder Island” (No. 9 in 1978) and “Shakedown Cruise” (No. 31 in 1979).
Now, at the urging of mutual friend and producer Rod Ensminger, Jo Jo Gunne is poised to make a comeback. All four of the main characters — Ferguson, Mark Andes, guitarist Matt Andes (Mark’s brother) and drummer Curly Smith — are back together, albeit with less hair but more musical talent than ever.
Not only is Ferguson a working musician — he just finished another film project, “Paradise, Texas,” and produced a new band, Jade Redd — but he’s smart, too. He bought a house in Montecito when houses there were actually affordable.
Ferguson took time out of his busy schedule to chat about all the fun he’s had doing the rock ‘n’ roll thing over the years.
Talk about the Jo Jo Gunne biz. You guys are back?
We’re back. We’re back in our original form. The band went through a couple of permutations, but the original band — the core band, the soul of the band — is back together for the first time since 1972. That’s why this is such an exciting record.
So there will be Jo Jo Gunne gigs?
There has been talk of a House of Blues-style tour, and judging by our Internet base and the response to the re-releases of the original catalog, it seems like there are some fans out there that might come out and see us.
Are you talking soon?
In the fall sometime, because the record will just be getting in gear then.
So where does “Big Chain” fit in?
The title kind of says it all. It is a return to the source; it is the circle finally becoming unbroken again. It’s making the record we’ve always wanted to make since the first one. What was so gratifying is that I don’t think anybody lost a step in 30 years. As a matter of fact, I think the other guys in the band are playing better than ever. It wasn’t really a matter of dusting this thing off; it was more plug and go, and that record was recorded in about 10 days.
All of the Gunners owe a debt of gratitude to Rod Ensminger because he’s the one that really lit the fire and said, “C’mon guys, get off your butts, come out to California and make this record.” He was the cheerleader that got this whole thing going.
The Andes brothers used to live here, but now they’re in Texas?
Mark used to have a great place in Oak View. Now he and Matt are both in Austin, Curly lives in Arizona, and I’m up here in Montecito.
I got lucky. People say I was smart, but I was just lucky. I bought a house here in Montecito with the first royalty check I ever got from Spirit, and that’s before real estate here was so valuable. At that time, Montecito was considered a backwater, and nobody wanted to buy anything here. I’m still in the same place. That’s the smartest thing I ever did.
To begin in the beginning, where does Spirit fit into the rock ‘n’ roll cosmology?
Spirit seems to have its reputation growing in retrospect. People now look back and say that Spirit was one of the top L.A. bands of the ’60s. I think now you would call it the L.A. psychedelic era or the acid-rock era.
Spirit started in ‘67. Mark and I went to high school together in the San Fernando Valley. We were part of the original band Spirit, and after four years and four albums that band flew apart. It had always been a band of several radical personalities and musical styles, and the center of gravity just couldn’t hold after four records.
This is the dreaded and often fatal creative differences?
Exactly.
What was the West Coast scene like back in the ’60s?
It kind of had a backwater reputation, oddly enough, because the spotlight was on San Francisco and the British Invasion. But in L.A., you had the Byrds, you had the Doors, you had Buffalo Springfield … you had bands like Spirit and Canned Heat. There was this tremendously vital scene that I don’t think got its respect until a couple of years later.
You wrote two of the best songs — “Mr. Skin” and “Animal Zoo” — on one of the best albums of that era, Spirit’s “Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus.”
Oh, thank you. Got to figure out a way to get “Mr. Skin” to the Chili Peppers. They could do a killer version of that song.
Spirit went to England, and Led Zeppelin opened for you guys?
Actually on Led Zeppelin’s first American tour — the band’s very first U.S. date — they opened for Spirit. When we went to England, we had Joe Cocker and the Bonzo Dog Band open for us, which was equally wonderful.
Wow, the Bonzo Dog Band. They were entirely too much. Tell me an Atlanta Pop Festival story.
I’ll never forget the acts that day. We were sandwiched in between Janis Joplin and Led Zeppelin. The next day the Grateful Dead, the Allman Brothers and Spirit spoke to each other on the phone and decided to play a free concert. So we did a free concert with those three bands in the park in downtown Atlanta.
So how did Jo Jo Gunne come about after Spirit imploded?
Rather than imploded, Spirit exploded because there were so many styles and so much creativity, and it kind of flew apart. The area of music Mark and I were always championing in Spirit was the rock ‘n’ roll side. So we decided to really indulge ourselves and do a stripped-down, straight-ahead rock ‘n’ roll project.
Jo Jo Gunne made several albums, had some hits. Then what happened?
It just seemed to have run its course. I think after the original core group split after the first record, we were kind of a little bit off our mission statement. We did have four albums and were a very successful heartland touring band.
How does Jo Jo Gunne compare to Spirit, or does it?
Jo Jo Gunne was more of a straight-ahead, American rock band. Someone once categorized us as “California’s greatest boogie band.” I guess that’s sort of a left-handed compliment.
Well, you’ve got Canned Heat in there, so that can’t be a bad thing.
Yeah, I look at them and ZZ Top and some other bands that have been called that, and it’s not a bad moniker.
If someone says, “Oh, Jay Ferguson — he’s the guy that plays classic rock.” Is that a bad thing or does it even matter?
Well, I guess I’m still around to hear it.
You’ve been doing movie soundtracks for many years. How is that different than writing songs for a Jo Jo Gunne album?
It’s a different situation. You leave the world of song, words and structure, and you kind of enter this non-linear world of painting with sound. I really enjoy it. I ended up building a studio here in Montecito. It’s an entirely different discipline; there are different kinds of people you work with — very visually oriented people — and I like the mix.
What’s been really nice about the last year, I’ve kind of come back to the rock ‘n’ roll world. I find myself getting up one day doing some film work, then getting up the next day and doing some rock ‘n’ roll work. I love that back and forth energy.
On one of your solo albums, I noticed it was produced by that guy with no vowels in his last name — Bill Szymczyk. I remember that name because he produced one of the greatest under-appreciated bands of all time, the New York Rock Ensemble.
Oh, absolutely. In Jo Jo Gunne, we were listening to the James Gang, and we thought, “Boy, we want to sound like that,” and that’s where we hooked up with Bill and then all that came to fruition on my solo work. That’s when he brought in Joe Walsh and people like that. It was great.
When did you know you wanted to be a musician?
I kind of just fell into this. I was at UCLA when I first started doing the Spirit thing. Then Spirit got a record deal. I took a leave of absence and figured I’d be back in school in about six months. I never went back.
What happened to your long rock ‘n’ roll hair?
I stuffed a pillow with it.
Hear it, buy it
Jo Jo Gunne’s new 14-track “Big Chain” CD is available online for $12.97 plus postage at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jojogunne. Clips of all the songs are available for preview on the CD Baby site.